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Deportivo FAS
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31. aug. 2013 11:56
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Injuries and replacements take over El Tri

Stuart Franklin/Getty ImagesJose de Jesus Corona has secured the starting spot at goal, relegating Guillermo ´Memo´ Ochoa.

MEXICO CITY -- Jose de Jesus Corona is Mexico´s starting goalkeeper. On any given weekend, Corona will suit up for Cruz Azul, the Liga MX´s runner-up and its domestic cup winner, and face the likes of Oribe Peralta, Herculez Gomez, Raul Jimenez, Marco Fabian and the rest of the league´s best.

Meanwhile, keeper Guillermo Ochoa goes through the same routine once or twice a week, substituting the urban jungle of Mexico City for the island paradise of Corsica. His team, Ajaccio, is a perennial relegation candidate in France´s Ligue 1, kept afloat largely by Ochoa himself over the last two seasons. He will usually face players like Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Edinson Cavani, Bafetimbi Gomis, Falcao and James Rodriguez. Yet Ochoa has usually backed up Corona for national team duty since 2012.

After striker Carlos Vela´s continual denial to accept manager Jose Manuel "Chepo" de la Torre´s invitations to rejoin El Tri following a two-year absence, de la Torre has unwittingly given players a precedent to bypass him and publicly question his decisions. Following a pitiful World Cup qualifying run that has Mexico still winless at the mythical Estadio Azteca, the match on Sept. 6 against Honduras looms as a make-or-break fixture for Mexico en route to Brazil 2014.

Despite a strong performance against Ivory Coast two weeks ago in a friendly, Mexico´s confidence is not entirely back. And their coach is a big reason why. Ochoa, a regular fixture in past call-ups, was omitted from El Tri´s roster for the matches against Honduras and the United States (just four days after the clash against the Central Americans).

"He [Ochoa] asked me if he was going to start for the team. I never promise anyone a starting spot," repeated Chepo ad nauseam on several TV and radio interviews over the next 24 hours after announcing the roster. "He asked to be removed from the list if he wasn´t assured this." And so he was. De la Torre, usually the strong and silent type, embarked on an impromptu media tour following the announcements, predictably to shield himself from blame and, instead, dump it on Ochoa. A similar pattern has emerged when the national team manager discusses another notable absentee.

Vela, also not on the list, is Mexico´s best player at the moment. Vela has started the 2013-14 season for Real Sociedad the same way he ended it: by scoring and carrying the team at key moments. Vela secured a historic spot for Sociedad in the UEFA Champions League group stage by scoring a brace against Lyon in the second leg of their qualifying playoff.

Lyon had been a fixture in the Champions League across the entire century, gaining a reputation for giant-killing, considering their multiple eliminations of Real Madrid in the tournament´s final stages. Real Sociedad will now stand in the French squad´s habitual spot. Vela´s team will compete in Group A, sharing the spotlight with Manchester United, which means Vela will potentially square off against compatriot Javier "Chicharito" Hernandez. The Mexican international has not yet debuted for United this season because of injuries.

Since Wayne Rooney is apparently staying at Old Trafford despite transfer rumors, and given the re-emergence of Danny Welbeck´s and Robin van Persie´s sparkling form, Hernandez will likely see limited playing time again this season. This uncomfortable fact, coupled with his injury, has prompted an almost unthinkable debate in Mexico: Should Hernandez be benched for the all-important match against Honduras?

The answer is likely yes, with the surging Oribe Peralta lining up to take the spot. Giovani dos Santos, who also picked up a knock with Villarreal, has not yet been cleared by team doctors to rejoin the La Liga squad´s starting lineup. His status remains a mystery for Sept. 6.

An increasingly probable scenario will now have Corona in goal for Ochoa, Angel Reyna or Christian Gimenez in for Giovani dos Santos, Damian Alvarez or Reyna at Vela´s spot, and Oribe Peralta in for Javier Hernandez. Four Liga MX players, all fine performers in their own right, subbing for some of Mexico´s best, almost unfairly conditioned by their desire to excel in some of the world´s top leagues abroad.
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31. aug. 2013 11:56
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@Kayokay

Marcelo Moreno har de vel fået til ingen penge kan jeg forestille mig - hvis det er tilfældet, kan jeg godt forstå at man har prøvet ham af (men du kender nok meget mere til ham end jeg gør Npato). Det ser dog ikke ud til at det fungerer.

Min kritik om ham er nok lidt hård. Han scorer 5-10 per sæson i den Brasilianske liga og Flamengo har bare brug for en habil målskytte oppe foran, når de egentlig får skabt noget. Jeg føler dog ikke, at Flamengo har lyst til at sætte deres lid til ham på den lange bane.
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Deportivo FAS
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31. aug. 2013 12:01
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Mexico´s obligation is simply to win

As it always has, the process of selecting the players for the Mexican national team unleashes controversy.

It seems that not all the players who are ready have been selected and not all the ones who have been selected are ready.

But one thing is certain. There´s only one who is risking his neck: Chepo de la Torre.

He has to win four out of the six possible points.

Will Chicharito Hernandez be able to bring the win, who according to the medical report from Manchester United needs more rehabilitation?

Is there a more skilled or more experienced player in Mexico than Miguel Layun?

Did it mean anything that a week ago in Spain, Andres Guardado said he feared not reaching his full performance level in time for the qualifying games against Honduras and the United States?

Has Gerardo Torrado´s slow pace for the past two years as midfielder not been completely obvious, especially one-on-one with highly skilled players?

How much more evidence does Maza Rodriguez have to give to prove that his return to Mexico has made him sluggish and that he´s in great need of the good lashings of urgency and hunger he had when he lived in Europe?

Didn´t Chepo promise at the meeting at Justino Compean´s house to call up only active players with speed who are always ready to compete and are in their prime playing years?

And was that the reason for the late delivery of the selection lineup for this year´s national team? The influence of the FMF, the sponsors, team owners, calls from promoters, personal preferences and sentimental weaknesses all play a part.

Make no mistake, this isn´t the actual line-up that Chepo delivered -- the public will never get to see that. It must be checked, consulted and approved.

Or did anyone think that this selection review and approval process only happened in Argentina, Spain, Germany, etc.?

Remember the words of Julio Grondona: "If the President of the Federation doesn´t approve a selection I´ve made, it´s because he’s an idiot." On that occasion, he had crossed Diego Armando Maradona off the list in one of their many disagreements.

I repeat, in the end, there is only one character who is really risking their neck: Chepo de la Torre. He has to be absolutely positive that with this team he can and will beat Honduras, who will have had more training than El Tri.

And of course, he can´t afford to lose in Columbus against the United States.

That´s why for the umpteenth time, I am calling into question the selection process: Is Chepo truly playing with his own hand or was the deck stacked against him from the start?

Whatever it is, the goal´s been mapped and the targets are marked and it is worth remembering that they read him the riot act at Compean´s house, with the special arrogance only general managers in the CONCACAF elimination region possess.

"Mexico must win, enjoy and, if we can, score." And they clearly laid down the law for him: "It is an obligation," he said to the man who refused to accept anyone´s orders.

I want to emphasize that the Ivory Coast was an enjoyable example of the kind of soccer el Tri is capable of when there is no pressure on the field.

Honduras and the United States are different. They have a healthy cannibalism: to bite, chew and spit out their opponents.

An attitude, Cuauhtemoc Blanco rightly said, that these national players no longer have.
Brasil: Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense, Botafogo (100% Carioca) Rio > Säo Paulo

MENGÃO BI DA AMÈRICA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RlVt8zJhXQ
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31. aug. 2013 12:01
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@Deportivo

Såvidt jeg ved, så er den gode Samba vist i Brasilien i øjeblikket. Så mon ikke han laver et grundigt arbejde i at kigge nærmere på Musa fra Cruzeiro og Atletico Mineiro. :-)

http://globoesporte.glob…743188.html
http://globoesporte.glob…718256.html
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Deportivo FAS
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31. aug. 2013 12:09
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@ NPATO

Min kritik om ham er nok lidt hård. Han scorer 5-10 per sæson i den Brasilianske liga og Flamengo har bare brug for en habil målskytte oppe foran, når de egentlig får skabt noget. Jeg føler dog ikke, at Flamengo har lyst til at sætte deres lid til ham på den lange bane.

Præcis, Adriano, Vagner Love er vel det nærmeste vi er kommet i nyere tid,de dage med Bebeto, Romario, Zico er long gone....Savio var vel heller ikke ligefrem angriber om end han vel kan klasificeres som et "eget produkt" O Animal var vel heller ikke ligefrem en succes - vi lider under mangel på offensiv kvaliteter har gjort det i mange herrens år nu...
Brasil: Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense, Botafogo (100% Carioca) Rio > Säo Paulo

MENGÃO BI DA AMÈRICA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RlVt8zJhXQ
Deportivo FAS
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31. aug. 2013 12:17
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@ Npato

@Deportivo

Såvidt jeg ved, så er den gode Samba vist i Brasilien i øjeblikket. Så mon ikke han laver et grundigt arbejde i at kigge nærmere på Musa fra Cruzeiro og Atletico Mineiro. :-)

http://globoesporte.glob…743188.html
http://globoesporte.glob…718256.html


Joeh der er behov for grundig research på det finkulturelle områder, det er jo ren kunst det der ! - vi skal vel også have sendt dig til Porto Alegre på "feltarbejde" i den nærmeste fremtid... ?
Brasil: Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense, Botafogo (100% Carioca) Rio > Säo Paulo

MENGÃO BI DA AMÈRICA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RlVt8zJhXQ
NPato7
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31. aug. 2013 12:21
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@Deportivo

Jeps. Det er synd at se, at generationens "Zico" endnu ikke er opstået fra Flamengo´s talentudvikling. :-). Men du har ret, O Imperador hjalp jer jo til mesterskabet, samt er Vagner Love en dygtig liga-angriber.
I har jo også et stort angrebstalent i Rafinha. Mon ikke, han også har lyst på at bevise sig. =)
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NPato7
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31. aug. 2013 12:25
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@Deportivo FAS

Jeps, det bliver rundt nytår. Så skal der studeres finkultur, spises churrasco, drikkes chimarão, tages et kig på Grêmio Arena og dette i tiden, hvor de forhåbenlig har en Copa Libertadores plads og vundet mesterskabet;-)
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-A Seleção Brasileira og Brasiliansk fodbold! (Garrincha > Pelé)

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Deportivo FAS
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31. aug. 2013 12:33
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@ NPATO

Jeg ved ikke rigtigt med Rafinha, jeg håber men har en ide om han bliver en ny Savio.....de virker til at have svært ved at løfte arven efter Zico generationen...

Jeps, det bliver rundt nytår. Så skal der studeres finkultur, spises churrasco, drikkes chimarão, tages et kig på Grêmio Arena og dette i tiden, hvor de forhåbenlig har en Copa Libertadores plads og vundet mesterskabet;-)


samt nedrykning til Internacioal ;-) - får du mulighed for at se lidt af statsmesterkaberne også... kunne være fedt hvis du lige får GRE-NAL med ! :-)
Brasil: Flamengo, Vasco, Fluminense, Botafogo (100% Carioca) Rio > Säo Paulo

MENGÃO BI DA AMÈRICA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RlVt8zJhXQ
NPato7
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31. aug. 2013 12:40
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@Deportivo
-Uha Deportivo. Du kender mig for godt!;-) Det bliver nok i den dur :D Jeg skal bestemt ned og se Inter-SM spille deres statsmesterskabskampe. Lidt lokalfodbold er sgu skønt. (De spillede faktisk med i den bedste Brasilianske liga dengang der var .. 44 hold(!)og endte på 21. pladsen)

Her er linket:
http://pt.wikipedia.org/…bol_de_1982
BRASSER PODCASTEN: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/brasserbold/id1084900607?mt=2

-A Seleção Brasileira og Brasiliansk fodbold! (Garrincha > Pelé)

Grêmio fan, KUN GRÊMIO:
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